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		<title>By: CT Lostaglia</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewklavan.com/2010/03/09/goldstein-tarantino-and-house-of-leaves/#comment-410</link>
		<dc:creator>CT Lostaglia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 04:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t possibly express how much I agree with you on House of Leaves.  It is, behind Moby Dick (Which I like for the EXACT reasons you mentioned about House of leaves), my favorite novel of all time.  I have, in my possession, a signed first edition of that book and it is one of my signature pieces of bound fantastica.   And no, I am not a cultist Danielewski dude, I just appreciate that book for what it is and what it does.   I&#039;ve never even done a google search for him, let alone any fan pages or whatnot.   That would probably ruin it for me, like visiting a different author&#039;s house many years ago ruined his writing for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t possibly express how much I agree with you on House of Leaves.  It is, behind Moby Dick (Which I like for the EXACT reasons you mentioned about House of leaves), my favorite novel of all time.  I have, in my possession, a signed first edition of that book and it is one of my signature pieces of bound fantastica.   And no, I am not a cultist Danielewski dude, I just appreciate that book for what it is and what it does.   I&#8217;ve never even done a google search for him, let alone any fan pages or whatnot.   That would probably ruin it for me, like visiting a different author&#8217;s house many years ago ruined his writing for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Post Modern Art and Artistic Elitism &#171; The Republican Heretic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Post Modern Art and Artistic Elitism &#171; The Republican Heretic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Andrew Klavan commented on this same phenomenon not long ago, while critiquing Quentin Tarantino&#8217;s film Inglorious Basterds. Post-modern art seems to be much more concerned with shocking the sensibilities of people and then mocking their reaction from your own &#8220;enlightened&#8221; position than it does in presenting actual artistic substance. Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)The Conservative ClosetPost-Modernism and Shallow Shock    Categories: Elitism and Fads Tags: aristocracy, art, elitism, post-modernism       Comments (0) Trackbacks (1) Leave a comment Trackback [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Andrew Klavan commented on this same phenomenon not long ago, while critiquing Quentin Tarantino&#8217;s film Inglorious Basterds. Post-modern art seems to be much more concerned with shocking the sensibilities of people and then mocking their reaction from your own &#8220;enlightened&#8221; position than it does in presenting actual artistic substance. Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)The Conservative ClosetPost-Modernism and Shallow Shock    Categories: Elitism and Fads Tags: aristocracy, art, elitism, post-modernism       Comments (0) Trackbacks (1) Leave a comment Trackback [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MovieMan0283</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewklavan.com/2010/03/09/goldstein-tarantino-and-house-of-leaves/#comment-304</link>
		<dc:creator>MovieMan0283</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tarantino ranges from apolitical to right-wing. You guys really need to stop treating &quot;the left&quot; and Hollywood as monolithic entities (not to mention interchangeable). And, really, American films are anti-technology? Come on now.

For all your complaints about generalizations about the right, you share are engaging in a lot of generalizations about everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tarantino ranges from apolitical to right-wing. You guys really need to stop treating &#8220;the left&#8221; and Hollywood as monolithic entities (not to mention interchangeable). And, really, American films are anti-technology? Come on now.</p>
<p>For all your complaints about generalizations about the right, you share are engaging in a lot of generalizations about everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewklavan.com/2010/03/09/goldstein-tarantino-and-house-of-leaves/#comment-302</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The left also dominate comedy because it&#039;s easier to knock a house down than to build it up.  Cheap comedy is easy.  Consider these gems of wit, &quot;F*** you, George Bush.&quot;  and how often have you heard this gutter insult form someone paid to be funny, &quot;Yeah, I f***ed your mum.&quot; etc.

Conservatives are constrained by their desire to build and protect, whereas those on the left, being anything from deconstructionists to revolutionaries, can tear at the culture that holds a society together for cheap laughs with nary a thought for the consequences.

It is hard for a conservative to make a living in the arts because at many times a conservative may baulk at a project because it is ultimately destructive.  But for those with wit, it can be done.

Take Mr Klavan himself as an example.  Watch some of his Klavan on Culture on youtube.  Notice that he is very funny (perhaps it doesn&#039;t feel so funny if you&#039;re getting the end of the stick). Notice that he engages with ideas, his humour actually engages with what people are saying and doing.  Notice also that he is seeking to protect something and to build something.  I suggest this is an example of a conservative artist who has chosen the harder path of creating rather than tearing down.

Some might say there are very few conservative comedians out there, I would argue that there are very few genuinely innovative and constructively funny comedians out there.  Of those who do genuinely create humour, there would be as many on the left as on the right, and a whole lot more who are neutral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The left also dominate comedy because it&#8217;s easier to knock a house down than to build it up.  Cheap comedy is easy.  Consider these gems of wit, &#8220;F*** you, George Bush.&#8221;  and how often have you heard this gutter insult form someone paid to be funny, &#8220;Yeah, I f***ed your mum.&#8221; etc.</p>
<p>Conservatives are constrained by their desire to build and protect, whereas those on the left, being anything from deconstructionists to revolutionaries, can tear at the culture that holds a society together for cheap laughs with nary a thought for the consequences.</p>
<p>It is hard for a conservative to make a living in the arts because at many times a conservative may baulk at a project because it is ultimately destructive.  But for those with wit, it can be done.</p>
<p>Take Mr Klavan himself as an example.  Watch some of his Klavan on Culture on youtube.  Notice that he is very funny (perhaps it doesn&#8217;t feel so funny if you&#8217;re getting the end of the stick). Notice that he engages with ideas, his humour actually engages with what people are saying and doing.  Notice also that he is seeking to protect something and to build something.  I suggest this is an example of a conservative artist who has chosen the harder path of creating rather than tearing down.</p>
<p>Some might say there are very few conservative comedians out there, I would argue that there are very few genuinely innovative and constructively funny comedians out there.  Of those who do genuinely create humour, there would be as many on the left as on the right, and a whole lot more who are neutral.</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewklavan.com/2010/03/09/goldstein-tarantino-and-house-of-leaves/#comment-300</link>
		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;They either detest pop culture or have such inflexible rules about how it is supposed to be created that they end up stuck on the outside, looking at the filmmaking process with either scorn or derision.” &lt;/em&gt;
As I&#039;ve noted before, Steve Allan wrote a book called &quot;How to Be Funny&quot; where he said that conservatives couldn&#039;t be funny.  At the time, I had a hard time thinking of an openly conservative comedian or political cartoonist. Perhaps this was because at that point in time, conservatives were the establishment. And it&#039;s hard to be funny when everything is ordered to your liking. But now, the real  conservatives are protecting the leftist mainstream culture from change. The right now has lots of funny men because irony and humor is often generated by pain and when you&#039;re the &quot;fascist&quot; or &quot;prude&quot; or &quot;McCarthyite&quot; or &quot;RACIST&quot; you either develop a sense of humor or you retract from the culture entirely.  Perhaps this is why most left wing humor and even drama is associated with simplistically getting emotional traction from shock value by bashing some old culture norm. It&#039;s not particularly clever, or even effective. Particularly when you have to keep pushing the envelope, which has now arrived at the threshold of child pornography and a burning  hatred for half the country. 

If the old conservatives, meaning the Judeo Christian morals ones, fail at the arts due to their constrains, why does the left, which has evern more constraints, dominate media production?  Remember, the left has the  Green religion, political correctness taboos and multiculturalism to limit their creativity. And their only non political  response is to put out self referential (media commenting on media)  pieces like &quot;Inglorious Basterds&quot;.  

The only difference in the creativity limitation department right now is that the left has control of the instruments. Which is why we&#039;re deluged with picture after picture after picture of the same ol anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, anti-Christian and anti-technology. That and a bazillion identical rom coms makes one ask &quot;Where the highly acclaimed leftist creativity?&quot;  of which Mr. Goldstein speaks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;They either detest pop culture or have such inflexible rules about how it is supposed to be created that they end up stuck on the outside, looking at the filmmaking process with either scorn or derision.” </em><br />
As I&#8217;ve noted before, Steve Allan wrote a book called &#8220;How to Be Funny&#8221; where he said that conservatives couldn&#8217;t be funny.  At the time, I had a hard time thinking of an openly conservative comedian or political cartoonist. Perhaps this was because at that point in time, conservatives were the establishment. And it&#8217;s hard to be funny when everything is ordered to your liking. But now, the real  conservatives are protecting the leftist mainstream culture from change. The right now has lots of funny men because irony and humor is often generated by pain and when you&#8217;re the &#8220;fascist&#8221; or &#8220;prude&#8221; or &#8220;McCarthyite&#8221; or &#8220;RACIST&#8221; you either develop a sense of humor or you retract from the culture entirely.  Perhaps this is why most left wing humor and even drama is associated with simplistically getting emotional traction from shock value by bashing some old culture norm. It&#8217;s not particularly clever, or even effective. Particularly when you have to keep pushing the envelope, which has now arrived at the threshold of child pornography and a burning  hatred for half the country. </p>
<p>If the old conservatives, meaning the Judeo Christian morals ones, fail at the arts due to their constrains, why does the left, which has evern more constraints, dominate media production?  Remember, the left has the  Green religion, political correctness taboos and multiculturalism to limit their creativity. And their only non political  response is to put out self referential (media commenting on media)  pieces like &#8220;Inglorious Basterds&#8221;.  </p>
<p>The only difference in the creativity limitation department right now is that the left has control of the instruments. Which is why we&#8217;re deluged with picture after picture after picture of the same ol anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, anti-Christian and anti-technology. That and a bazillion identical rom coms makes one ask &#8220;Where the highly acclaimed leftist creativity?&#8221;  of which Mr. Goldstein speaks?</p>
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		<title>By: Abe Froman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abe Froman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A big part of why the arts are dominated by leftists is sheer practicality.  While there&#039;s much to be said for taking risks and following your dreams, the emotional makeup of lefties seems better suited for a lifestyle with such a high failure rate. Everyone knows the success stories. But wingers are more apt to look at the far greater odds of being a 30 year old loser still working in a coffee shop and think there are worse things than being an accountant and going home to your family and friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A big part of why the arts are dominated by leftists is sheer practicality.  While there&#8217;s much to be said for taking risks and following your dreams, the emotional makeup of lefties seems better suited for a lifestyle with such a high failure rate. Everyone knows the success stories. But wingers are more apt to look at the far greater odds of being a 30 year old loser still working in a coffee shop and think there are worse things than being an accountant and going home to your family and friends.</p>
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		<title>By: MovieMan0283</title>
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		<dc:creator>MovieMan0283</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inglourious Basterds, though undoubtedly facile and immature in large swathes, is valuable as art because it&#039;s such a perfectly realized picture. Furthermore, it&#039;s more subtle and rich that most of Tarantino&#039;s earlier pictures - I often found myself wishing he&#039;d made the entire movie about Shoshana and Landa, and ignored the Basterds altogether (although ultimately I felt I had to take the movie all of a piece, and did so).

House of Leaves didn&#039;t quite work for me. I enjoyed it, and found it quite imaginative, but ultimately the potential center seemed to get crushed by all the postmodern posturing. 

Incidentally, I&#039;m a self-identified independent who voted for Obama and has no use for tea-party/Sarah Palin conservatism. I found it telling that the &#039;08 convention sat bored through McCain&#039;s moving speech, filled with values that rang of traditional conservatism like sacrifice, responsibility, and honor. Yet they burst into passionate applause for the vapid &quot;hockey mom&quot; have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too pep talk from Palin - a true signifier of where the conservative movement has ended up, not with hard-won stoicism but selfish materialism.

I mention this because, ironically, I seem to be to the right of you on culture. While I think the Western canon needed revamping in the modern era, I find that modernism - with its awe for the old as well as its discovery of new forms and feelings of dislocation - achieved this nicely, and that the postmodernism which followed has been a dead end.

As for conservatives and liberals in the arts, I think that any fixed ideology is dangerous when dragged into aesthetics. In this regard, it&#039;s not so surprising that there are few distinguished right-wingers in the arts and criticism, but it IS a surprise that there are so many distinguished left-wingers. Perhaps, for a variety of reasons, the traditions of the Left allows for a sensitivity and open-mindedness towards art that is not apparent in other facets of the ideology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inglourious Basterds, though undoubtedly facile and immature in large swathes, is valuable as art because it&#8217;s such a perfectly realized picture. Furthermore, it&#8217;s more subtle and rich that most of Tarantino&#8217;s earlier pictures &#8211; I often found myself wishing he&#8217;d made the entire movie about Shoshana and Landa, and ignored the Basterds altogether (although ultimately I felt I had to take the movie all of a piece, and did so).</p>
<p>House of Leaves didn&#8217;t quite work for me. I enjoyed it, and found it quite imaginative, but ultimately the potential center seemed to get crushed by all the postmodern posturing. </p>
<p>Incidentally, I&#8217;m a self-identified independent who voted for Obama and has no use for tea-party/Sarah Palin conservatism. I found it telling that the &#8217;08 convention sat bored through McCain&#8217;s moving speech, filled with values that rang of traditional conservatism like sacrifice, responsibility, and honor. Yet they burst into passionate applause for the vapid &#8220;hockey mom&#8221; have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too pep talk from Palin &#8211; a true signifier of where the conservative movement has ended up, not with hard-won stoicism but selfish materialism.</p>
<p>I mention this because, ironically, I seem to be to the right of you on culture. While I think the Western canon needed revamping in the modern era, I find that modernism &#8211; with its awe for the old as well as its discovery of new forms and feelings of dislocation &#8211; achieved this nicely, and that the postmodernism which followed has been a dead end.</p>
<p>As for conservatives and liberals in the arts, I think that any fixed ideology is dangerous when dragged into aesthetics. In this regard, it&#8217;s not so surprising that there are few distinguished right-wingers in the arts and criticism, but it IS a surprise that there are so many distinguished left-wingers. Perhaps, for a variety of reasons, the traditions of the Left allows for a sensitivity and open-mindedness towards art that is not apparent in other facets of the ideology.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Renzulli</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewklavan.com/2010/03/09/goldstein-tarantino-and-house-of-leaves/#comment-297</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Renzulli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive my last post as it was not proofed.  I think you may be able to make sense of it if you read it slowly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive my last post as it was not proofed.  I think you may be able to make sense of it if you read it slowly.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Renzulli</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewklavan.com/2010/03/09/goldstein-tarantino-and-house-of-leaves/#comment-296</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Renzulli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 04:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patry.  Tarantino is a pastry maker.  I love pastry.  Not a non stop diet of it.  But I do love pastry.  Tarantino is one of the best pastry chefs out there.  I think it unfair to compare him to a master chef.   But that one facet of the master chef is pastry.   With regard to this one facets of the discipline that make a complete Master, Quentin Tarantino is masterful.   Really, a bit of a silly argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patry.  Tarantino is a pastry maker.  I love pastry.  Not a non stop diet of it.  But I do love pastry.  Tarantino is one of the best pastry chefs out there.  I think it unfair to compare him to a master chef.   But that one facet of the master chef is pastry.   With regard to this one facets of the discipline that make a complete Master, Quentin Tarantino is masterful.   Really, a bit of a silly argument.</p>
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		<title>By: raphael a</title>
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		<dc:creator>raphael a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 04:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could someone please explain to me what on earth this has to do with George Clooney and Elizabeth Canalis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could someone please explain to me what on earth this has to do with George Clooney and Elizabeth Canalis?</p>
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